You know, we were working with the district attorney's office. So I don't know what happened on their end at all, but you know, it happened, it's over. And I'm not upset. I'm not angry about it. And I still work with that reporter.     Commissioner Ramsey, we know you've got other things to do there in Philadelphia, we appreciate your time.      Well, thank you very much.     Commissioner Charles Ramsey, a police commissioner with the Philadelphia Police Department, as mentioned previously the head of the police here in Washington, D.C. Still with us is Kelly McBride, senior faculty for ethics reporting and writing at the Poynter Institute, with many years of experience as a police reporters in Spokane. She's with us from the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Florida.     Let's see if we can get another caller on the line. This is Richard(ph) and Richard with us from Cleveland.     

How are you this morning, this afternoon? You know, I think if you're an honorable reporter or an honorable law enforcement officer, you will have no problem with each other. I was a hostage negotiator, as well as a public information officer. So utilizing the media to help make people safe is vitally important.     And having the media work with law enforcement in crisis situations is vitally important. Most often, it works. I have had a situation in the late - early '70s where a reporter contacted a hostage-taker and interfered with our negotiations, and the hostage-taker eventually shot the hostage.     Those things should never happen, and they won't as long as people are honorable.     So they got somehow the phone number of...      Sure. It was at a bank. It was at a bank, they picked up the phone and as we were trying to negotiate, the guy would hang up, and the reporter got in between our calls, and the guy was really agitated because the reporter contacted him, and it set him off.     Well, I'm sorry to hear that even after all these years.      But, you know, that's the exception and not the rule. And a little lighter note, back in the late '60s, all reporters that we dealt with were - had heavy beards, smoked cigars and drank whiskey, and of course today they're all pert, blonde and shapely.     Well, not all. I think...        

Some rather rumpled-out specimens out there.      And I'm wondering if there's any change in the relationships because of that. Well, actually that's really interesting. I actually worked as a police reporter in Cleveland. It would have been in the early or mid-1980s, before I went to Spokane. And yeah, I think the reporters back then for the most part were rumpled and bearded and smokers.    

But you're right. These days the police beat is an entry-level job at most newspapers, which is where you actually find a beat reporter, and there are far more women coming into journalism than men. And so it is most likely that you're going to find a young woman as the beat reporter.     And I do think that changes the nature of the relationship. Most of the time, after a couple of months, that reporter gets up to speed, and she's pretty darn good at what dimmable filament led bulb, and she develops relationships within the police department so that people know that she can be trusted and that she's not just out to get the cops.